Sebastian Stephenson speaks to Gareth Lyons, creator of HACKFEST and Andy Edgar, one of the managing directors for A4 Sounds. We speak about the aesthetics of Gareth's underground/alternative animation festival, the spectrum of animation on offer and how he got the festival started last year. Andy tells us the history of A4 Sounds, which is a multidisciplinary art organisation that provides for a board and electric mix of creatives. We also speak about the importance of messy space to produce creative work. Throughout the episode, we also check out online live music series, Press Record.tv, talk to Dublin 2020 about their European Capital of Eulture bid and review some of the pitches on crowdfunding sites looking for support right now.